Cheney Urging Strikes On Iran
WASHINGTON - President Bush charged Thursday that Iran continues to arm and train insurgents who are killing U.S. soldiers in Iraq, and he threatened action if that continues.
At a news conference Thursday, Bush said Iran had been warned of unspecified consequences if it continued its alleged support for anti-American forces in Iraq. U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker had conveyed the warning in meetings with his Iranian counterpart in Baghdad, the president said.0810 01
Bush wasn’t specific, and a State Department official refused to elaborate on the warning.
Behind the scenes, however, the president’s top aides have been engaged in an intensive internal debate over how to respond to Iran’s support for Shiite Muslim groups in Iraq and its nuclear program. Vice President Dick Cheney several weeks ago proposed launching airstrikes at suspected training camps in Iraq run by the Quds force, a special unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, according to two U.S. officials who are involved in Iran policy.
The debate has been accompanied by a growing drumbeat of allegations about Iranian meddling in Iraq from U.S. military officers, administration officials and administration allies outside government and in the news media. It isn’t clear whether the media campaign is intended to build support for limited military action against Iran, to pressure the Iranians to curb their support for Shiite groups in Iraq or both.
Nor is it clear from the evidence the administration has presented whether Iran, which has long-standing ties to several Iraqi Shiite groups, including the Mahdi Army of radical cleric Muqtada al Sadr and the Badr Organization, which is allied with the U.S.-backed government of Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki, is a major cause of the anti-American and sectarian violence in Iraq or merely one of many. At other times, administration officials have blamed the Sunni Muslim group al Qaida in Iraq for much of the violence.
For now, however, the president appears to have settled on a policy of stepped-up military operations in Iraq aimed at the suspected Iranian networks there, combined with direct American-Iranian talks in Baghdad to try to persuade Tehran to halt its alleged meddling.
The U.S. military launched one such raid Wednesday in Baghdad’s predominantly Shiite Sadr City district.
But so far that course has failed to halt what American military officials say is a flow of sophisticated roadside bombs, known as explosively formed penetrators, into Iraq. Last month they accounted for a third of the combat deaths among U.S.-led forces, according to the military.
Cheney, who’s long been skeptical of diplomacy with Iran, argued for military action if hard new evidence emerges of Iran’s complicity in supporting anti-American forces in Iraq; for example, catching a truckload of fighters or weapons crossing into Iraq from Iran, one official said.
The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to talk publicly about internal government deliberations.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice opposes this idea, the officials said. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has stated publicly that “we think we can handle this inside the borders of Iraq.”
Lea Anne McBride, a Cheney spokeswoman, said only that “the vice president is right where the president is” on Iran policy.
Bush left no doubt at his news conference that he intended to get tough with Iran.
“One of the main reasons that I asked Ambassador Crocker to meet with Iranians inside Iraq was to send the message that there will be consequences for . . . people transporting, delivering EFPs, highly sophisticated IEDs (improvised explosive devices), that kill Americans in Iraq,” he said.
He also appeared to call on the Iranian people to change their government.
“My message to the Iranian people is, you can do better than this current government,” he said. “You don’t have to be isolated. You don’t have to be in a position where you can’t realize your full economic potential.”
The Bush administration has launched what appears to be a coordinated campaign to pin more of Iraq’s security troubles on Iran.
Last week, Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 U.S. military commander in Iraq, said Shiite militiamen had launched 73 percent of the attacks that had killed or wounded American troops in July. U.S. officials think that majority Shiite Iran is providing militiamen with EFPs, which pierce armored vehicles and explode once inside.
Last month, Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner, a multinational force spokesman, said members of the Quds force had helped plan a January attack in the holy Shiite city of Karbala, which lead to the deaths of five American soldiers. Bergner said the military had evidence that some of the attackers had trained at Quds camps near Tehran.
Bush’s efforts to pressure Iran are complicated by the fact that the leaders of U.S.-supported governments in Iraq and Afghanistan have a more nuanced view of their neighbor.
Maliki is on a three-day visit to Tehran, during which he was photographed Wednesday hand in hand with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Unconfirmed media reports said Maliki had told Iranian officials they’d played a constructive role in the region.
Asked about that, Bush said he hadn’t been briefed on the meeting. “Now if the signal is that Iran is constructive, I will have to have a heart-to-heart with my friend the prime minister, because I don’t believe they are constructive. I don’t think he in his heart of hearts thinks they’re constructive either,” he said.
Bush and Afghan President Hamid Karzai differed on Iran’s role when they met last weekend, with Karzai saying in a TV interview that Iran was “a helper” and Bush challenging that view.
The toughening U.S. position on Iran puts Karzai and Iraqi leaders such as Maliki in a difficult spot between Iran, their longtime ally, and the United States, which is spending lives and treasure to secure their newly formed government.
A senior Iraqi official in Baghdad said the Iraqi government received regular intelligence briefings from the United States about suspected Iranian activities. He refused to discuss details, but said the American position worried him.
The United States is “becoming more focused on Iranian influence inside Iraq,” said the official, who requested anonymity to discuss private talks with the Americans. “And we don’t want Iraq to become a zone of conflict between Iran and the U.S.”
Proposals to use force against Iran over its actions in Iraq mark a new phase in the Bush administration’s long internal war over Iran policy.
Until now, some hawks within the administration - including Cheney - are said to have favored military strikes to stop Iran from furthering its suspected ambitions for nuclear weapons.
Rice has championed a diplomatic strategy, but that, too, has failed to deter Iran so far.
Patrick Clawson, an Iran specialist at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said a strike on the Quds camps in Iran could make the nuclear diplomacy more difficult.
Before launching such a strike, “We better be prepared to go public with very detailed and very convincing intelligence,” Clawson said.
© McClatchy Newspapers 2007
Question is how many Americans are going to be brainwashed and duped into believing Iran is arming the insurgency in Iraq?
Just like our braindead public was brainwashed into believing Saddam was a threat, and had wmd’s. This is like a really bad case of alzheimers.
Will America fall for this crap? how does 33% of the American public give this administration any credibility?
When are those Iranian maniacs going to realize that unilateral disarmament and conveyance of all oil and other natural resources as a tribute to their Washington masters (actually to the oil corporation cronies of the masters) is the only path that leads to salvation and to admittance into the community of approved nations? Uncle Dick is waiting.
“My message to the Iranian people is, you can do better than this current government,…”
Heck, monkeys could do better that this current government.
Let’s see, we were lied to by this guy about WMD in Iraq and now he wants us to believe him about this, with no proof. This guy will never get it.
Bush and Cheney will find that Iran will NOT be as easy as Iraq to invade. And look how hard it is to handle Iraq. I am counting on the Iranian’s strength of purpose they’ve held strong to since the Revolution to get them through American imperialism and oil addiction.
“My message to the Iranian people is, you can do better than this current government,” he said. “You don’t have to be isolated. You don’t have to be in a position where you can’t realize your full economic potential.”
Thats funny. This could be applied directly to the American people.
They have proof… The labels on the weapons say they are from Iran… Because if Iran wants to illegally and secretly funnel weapons accross a secure border where they have a risk of being confiscated, they’re not going to take off the labels… they’re going to leave the Iranian trademark labels on the weapons. LOLx10.
Like a label is hard to forge.
What a joke. The administration can’t even come up with a decent lie to brainwash the public… and yet a significant portion of our braindead public is going to believe even an irrational and illogical lie. And the people that believe this are going to say with a straight face “There is proof, Iranian labels were on the weapons.”
They’re going to fall for it… watch and see. They pretty much already have.
So what roles do China and Russia play in this? What will be their reaction?
It’s coming you know; The irrefutable fabricated “proof” that Iran is building and shipping arms (and bogeymen) to Iraq. The US will then bomb and shell certain Iranian targets. The Iranians,enraged, will again rise up en mass and the Repugs will then have to delay the general elections (for national security) and\or declare marshall law. Just wait and see……..
of course, McClatchy fails to inform its readers that EFPs are not a new/ advanced technology…give me a break! the label comment hits the same note…..
china and russia will most likely side with iran on this one which is why all of Bush’s bluster is just that…in his heart of hearts…bwahaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!
the principle supply of suicide bombers is Saudi Arabia.
the principle supply of weapons is “lost” american weapons, and unguarded weapons’ caches from saddam’s time. and weapons supplied by americans to the new iraqi “security forces.”
patrick cockburn said some time ago, these iraqis were supposed to have been sophisticated enough to have nuclear and bio-chemical weapons, but now they can’t make IED’s and EFP’s w/o iran’s help?
you’d think dick-bush might lose that smirk after getting their asses reamed in iraq, but you’d be in the reality based community, wouldn’t you?
For Claudius,
I’m not sure what the Russians might do but I believe that the Chinese will warn the Dick branch of our govt to stand down or face the consequences of them selling off the US teasury bills they hold. Depression here we come.
Somebody should disconnect this motherfu~!rs pacemaker.
limric,
Thanks. That is my impression and fear too.
Iran is a problem. We can bomb and escalate eventually causing more problems for the U.S. or how about retreating completely from Iraq? Let Israel take out Iran. Ask the Arab League to help with stability in Iraq. What you say…we won’t…why…ah, it’s THE OIL!!!!!
They’re going in (notice I said “they” and not “us”). It has long been decided. The media and the Democrats are complicit. There may be a little fussing here and there, but they’ll cave and accept government claims of this and that without much of a challenge.
You’ll see.
USA and the Nazis believe in The Big Lie….make it a big lie, and say it often enough, and the gullible people will be convinced. USA is the Fourth Reich.
Last winter I was told by a kid stationed in Baghdad that they were finding crates of arms, stamped and dated form Iran.
Why would Iran put their name and date on arms they ship to Iraq? It doesn’t make sense; what does make sense is that they were planted there for the purpose of making war on Iran.
So if missiles from Iraq are attacking Iran, aren’t they justified in defending themselves? Isn’t that what the 14 bases are for; so the U.S. can attack Iraq’s neighbors from Iraq?
Maybe that’s why Iran is worried! They don’t want 20 U.S. bases coming to their country.
Teheran, Tabriz - the next Hiroshima and Nagasaki
This incredible idiot Bush, has stated our Constitution is just a piece of G.D. paper, and it is now, thanks to Pelosi and Conyers.
Bush/Cheney are going to do as they damn please. An attack on Iran using ANY type of weapons, WILL insure two things, China will cash in their bonds and we WILL have a depression.
If you read the article on today’s Common Dreams list, titled ‘Very Scary Things’, you may realize a depression is certain no matter what China does with the bonds. In either event, a war with Iran or a depression will insure, our nation will collapse and do so in days. That is reality__ as real and sure as the sun will rise tomorow. If I am wrong,__ please tell me why.
“… direct American-Iranian talks in Baghdad to try to persuade Tehran to halt its alleged meddling”
Tehran: alleged meddling
U.S.: actual meddling
Who should be persuading who to do what?
Or is it Who should be persuading whom?
It ought to be interesting to see Blackwater guards in front of highrise condominiums and gated upscale communities when the depression hits.
the iran saber rattling might be a distraction from the melting markets….ditto the new FISA law dim dems gave bush (newsflash- you’ve alwyas been spied upon by your government)….
quick everyone! it’s august…let’s go on vacation…….
Why is Iran a problem? What exactly is the big problem? Iran is presently very weak. Where is the problem. It’s neighbours say the opposite. Iran is very constructive. Helpful in Afghanistan according to Karzi and Maliki says the same. Bush says he’ll have to have a chat with Maliki about that. First, the lies about Al-Quiada being the bogey man in Iraq and not it’s own home grown insurgency. Before that it was the Sunni’s now its the Shiites and now Iran and of course Syria too. They are going to attack Iran on a pretext and it will inflame the middle east for decades. Russia and China will not stand by for this. Bet your bippy on it.
Let Israel take out Iran?? Are you out of your mind??
Even if it is true that Iran is backing militias in Iraq, so is the United States. In fact, the United States is backing both Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias; which makes no sense to me whatsoever. Who are your enemies in Iraq Americans? Does it just change from day to day? Or…
How can the United States even BEGIN to invade Iran, let alone create a strategy for whatever goals the want to have accomplished in this endeavor? You think Iraq is a pain, wait until you experience Iran. Let’s compare Iraq with Iran:
Population: Iraq has about 25 million people. Iran has about 80 million people.
Terrain: Most of Iraq is flat with very few mountains and mostly desert and very hot. Most of Iran is mountainous, considerably larger than Iraq is, and has more variety of climate.
The societies of Iraq and Iran are quite different as well. Iran is more united, as it were, and are more willing to defend their culture and way of life than Iraq is. One may say that Iranian pride runs just as deep, if not more so, than American pride in their respective nations. It is through their unity that they will definitely be a considerable foe with the United States if the United States chooses to invade them. The United States is unable to defeat Iraq, what makes them think they can handle an invasion of Iran? That is what I do not understand…
Aside from the economic consequences of such an invasion (No more oil for you Americans!), how is the United States going to finance this? I seriously doubt China will be your banker on this one. Actually, China may help the Iranians out if they experience an unprovoked invasion of their nation. I do not know that for certain, but China and Iran definitely trade with each other. Invading Iran may also anger the Russians if for the same reason. Saudi Arabia MIGHT finance an invasion of Iran for the Americans but…that does not seem likely. After all, Saudi Arabia is already upset with the United States as it is for invading Iraq. Yet the United States wants to sell them weapons? What is the USA Modus Operandi here?
I thought that the USA wanted a Shiite led Iraq anyhow. Why is the United States against Iran helping their own out in Iraq, assuming if true? The United States wanted Democracy in Iraq, they have it! The catch is that it will be a Shiite nation now, by majority consensus. I am sure that is not what the United States had in mind. I am confused as to why the United States is against Iran helping out the majority in Iraq - the Shiites. The United States was on the Shiite side at the beginning of the invasion were they not? Help the Shiites overthrow the evil vicious and brutal Saddam Hussein.
JZJ has it right. So, class, here’s today’s quiz:
If Iran is supplying “aid and comfort” to those who kill Americans in Iraq, and Saudi Arabia is supplying “aid and comfort” to those who kill Americans in Iraq, who do you bomb first?”
Little Georgie said: Canada.
Cute Dickey said: hrmphh, hrmmphh
Baby Condie said: I don’t think…..
No it is not funny, it is sad. the whole f&*#~ng thing: evil, dirty, lying executives, do nothing political hack legislators, puppet stacked Federal Courts, and a nation where 66% of the people don’t like what is happening, and do/can do nothing about it.
In the end, we will all get what some deserve, and some will get nothing they deserve. Oh, and as for that economic collapse? Don’t you worry, the 1% who Gerogie have taken care of will not even feel it, so maybe we can go to Palm Beach, Vail, Kennebunkport or wherever if we need a roof over our heads. I’m sure the 1%-ers would give us a handout.
Back into the cave, I’ve got food in the freezer, money under the matress, a plow and a good companion. Peace out!
NMBill- I’ll reference you to my earlier post from above (not my first post, but the second one.
I love to joke, perhaps I do so too often. It is difficlt to joke about the depression we are going to have,___ unless an outright miracle occurs. Maybe a space ship will arrive and take Bush and Cheney far far away. Preferably to another galaxy or a black hole.
A depression will insure this:
There are no small farmers in America like there were durng the last depression. Few if any actually starved to death then, there was an ample ammount of food available. We could go to one of many farmers markets at closing time and purchase a full bushel of vegetables for ten cents, a live chicken for eight cents and a turkey for a quarter. We seldom could afford a turkey, but we could always scrape up ten pennies.
My point is, there weren’t many jobs, millions were out of work, the banks were closed and it was truly tough times. Butttt, we had food. A depression now will insure rioting, racial and otherwise. Desperate people will kill for food, milk for their babies etc. It will be Katrina magnified ten thousand times, house pets will be char broiled. Will FEMA, or anyone else, be there to assist? Our credit cards will be frozen, American money will be as useless as our Constitution had become. (thank you for that Pelosi and Conyers.)
There will be nation wide anarchy, and our mighty hi-tech military will be useless to stop the killing in our country. That is reality.__ Sorry, the United States will be history and Bush will have his desired legacy. The Chinese will survive to write it.
This article seems to say that the United States knows absolutely nothing about how to end this war. In fact, it seems like they want to escalate it. Don’t the neocons know that this is going to end real badly for the United States? Explosives not guarded early in the war..nobody in jail. Billions of dollars unaccounted for..nobody in jail. 190,000 rifles & handguns missing..nobody in jail…Bush & Cheney still in office…. WHY?
Sir Melvin Cleophus,
I am guessing the reason why the U.S. supports the Sunnis is by having a minority, it will better enable the U.S. to privatize the oil so that U.S. oil companies can enjoy larger profits. Just a guess.
Kem Patrick- We’re already at the “Bah, let them eat cake” point- 1% of the population has somehow duped (say) 85% of us into believing whats good for them is good for everyone.
The heads of the corperations buy out everyone of the politicians in the government, deliberatly with the purpose of fucking over the average American, for the benefit of the 1%.
Even better in recent decades, just have board members or longtime rich members of corperations, such as oil, health insurance etc work in the executive and other branches of government. That way they don’t even have to bribe the government, they can just enact corperate serving policy directly.
If US attacks Iran - US will learn more completely why the “mideast civilizations” have been in place for so long. The US of A is a mere few centuries along. Iran, Iraq, many more have been around so much longer, and for good reason.
The US of A just seems unable to learn that Dick Cheney is a mere man (a seemingly hearless one also). There are what 300,000,000 million people living in this country. Wow. Who is giving all this power to Dick Cheney. I want to know.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Let’s assume for a minute that Iran is actually supplying weapons to the Shiite insurgents in Iraq.
Anyone not suffering from denial knows that there is a civil war in the country between Shiite and Sunni tribes.
If this is true then how are the Sunni’s getting their weapons? Magic? It couldn’t be the ‘lost weapons’ from the US or weapons from Saudi could it? Oh heavens no! It must then be magic.
So Iran is arming the the Shiites and the fairy godmother is arming the Sunnis. Makes sense to me.
So the psychopaths in charge of the U.S. government want airstrikes on SUSPECTED training camps in Iran? As usual, no proof of any guilt is provided. HOW does the U.S. get away with all of these war crimes??
Lets say that only 0.28% of the folks in US of A are aware of the risk, that is still, what, 1,000,000 folks. Come on, this is ridiculous…..
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Charlotte, NC
hoping for remedy,
lets start by impeaching the VP
lets impeach the office altogether
as well as the executive for that matter….
I am tired of this admisistration pretending that that they are Roman Emporers, on one hand they are not man enough and on the other they are far too stupid to be leaders. THis country is not about invasion and despolation, it is about the freedom and rights of mankind. The only way we will survive as a country is to get back to the days of a strong kind america
Whether or not Iran is involved in any way is irrelevant. The U. S. is in the region ILLEGALLY. Invasion was an act of unjustified and immoral AGGRESSION against a SOVEREIGN nation that was absolutely NO threat to the U.S., all built on a pack of lies, long since established.
That’s all one needs to know.
To focus on whether Iran is involved is to shift the focus where it does not belong. I repeat, Iran’s alleged involvement is irrelevant.
“As usual, no proof of any guilt is provided. HOW does the U.S. get away with all of these war crimes??”
Why provide proof when they can just repeat lies over and over again, to a crowd of 50-60% of braindead Americans who still believe everything they’re told to believe, and will swallow up the lies, lock stock and barrell? www.pollingreport.com. Somewhere on there, a survey shows that something like 58% of this country thinks Iran is supplying weapons, suicide bombers, funds, etc to Iraq. It’s unreal how easily brainwashed and manipulated we Americans are especially coming from the same government which, as far as i’m concerned, has zero credibility
It’s not hard to manipulate and brainwash the masses. Heck 40% of this country still thinks Saddam was “personally involved in 9-11.” So what does that tell you.
Neocons, now making up about 25-30% of this country, are deliberatly dellusional, and enjoy being dellusional. I’m not simply calling them names, or bashing them… look at the quote from their own beloved administration:
“That’s not the way the world really works anymore. WE’RE AN EMPIRE NOW, AND WHEN WE ACT WE CREATE OUR OWN REALITY…We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to study what we do.”
Karl Rove, Chief Advisor to George W. Bush
This is the same 30% that continue to approve of the administration’s performance. The same 25-30% that will say over and over again, if we don’t fight them over there, we’ll have to fight them over here…Ironic that these same cowards are “too busy” to actually go fight them over there, and are much more effective in supporting the war by sitting around here spewing out tired soundbytes and talking points.
Karma runs deep, swift, complete - Agenbite of inwit upon all those who fail to stop this atrocity…..
Ken Hausle
KEM is right in most respects. But I’ve never heard him be THIS pessimistic before.
And it’s true about the issue of food and farmers. When the collapse of our economy happens, we are ill prepared as citizens to deal with the fallout.
I’ve been a small time farmer for over 10 years. And I have failed (financially) because there has been little support for small community farms. Why? Because people want cheap food. They are not willing to pay a price that will actually cover the costs of food produced on small farms. Consumers would rather pay the lower price for food that is produced with slave/cheap labor, environmental damage, no sustainable farming practices, on HUGE farms where the profits go to HUGE multinationals that suck local economies dry.
This is all about re-establishing The Commons. This all about Community Sovereignty. You had better get to know your neighbors NOW! Especially your local farmers, if you have any.
It’s getting to be time to plant your winter crops. How many back yards and idle land do you have in your neighborhood? Time’s are a wastin’. Don’t be burnin’ daylight…….
If you’re an insurgent, who needs Iran? Under the administration of General Petraeus, 190,000 automatic rifles and handguns went missing. I wonder where they are now.
Is Petraeus a “general”. I thought it was an admiral who was over the operation. Hm. I think it would be better if it was someone from the navy except not anyone from a sub. In fact, the subs should be eliminated from service voluntarily.
Once the subs are gone, then the navy is an incredible defensive force. Defensive not offensive like DC.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
It is way past time to remove the mad man from the White House, and his pet monkey, too.
One last thing, and then I better really shutup again for a LONG time (whatever that means).
Check out the following website. To me it is a most hopeful concept. Hope, remedy, peace, remedy, hope….and on and on….
Peace,
Ken Hausle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriate_technology
It’s the same old story over, and over, and over; put your faith and trust (and money) into a centralized form of government (of any kind) and they will eventually turn into a ravenous beast, out of control, devouring whatever gets in it’s way. But seldom does anyone ever listen to us fringe anarchist types, “we’ll have chaos!” Does anyone doubt that we have chaos now? Where’s the democratic control of our government? Gone! We fed this beast, now we suffer the consequences.
The only way Bush & Cheney can survive the growing movement for impeachment is to expand the Iraq War to Iran and beyond, and that would satisfy Bush’s insane desire for Biblical Armageddon through a nuclear World War Three.
Bush: “My message to the Iranian people is, you can do better than this current government,” he said. “You don’t have to be isolated. You don’t have to be in a position where you can’t realize your full economic potential.”
Bush has a better plan for the Iranians. King George will bring “freedom and democracy” to Iran just like he did in Iraq. How Ridiculous!
How dare Iran “meddle” in Iraq! Hey, Bush illegally invaded, subjugated, and destroyed the cradle of civilization first! Bush wants a monopoly on genocide in Iraq.
Let’s see….
16 of the 19 high jackers were from Saudi Arabia. There is ample proof that the Saudis have funded terrorist for years. A steady stream of suicide bombers flows from Saudi Arabia into Iraq. The Saudis are funding the Sunni insurgency, which has caused the majority of American deaths.
And what does the Bush Administration do to punish Saudi Arabia???
The Bush Administration just gave the Saudis billions of dollars in weapons. How insane is that?
Even though Saudi Arabia is indirectly killing American Troops, it’s acceptable because they are our “friends.”
But if you are our “Enemy”(Iran), will blame you for killing of those American soldiers”
I can’t believe that some Americans are even listing to single word that comes out of that criminal.
Well then entelechy what is it - what is it that you want. Don’t be throwing a bunch of fear out there.
If impeachment doesn’t happen, then don’t we all know what is going to happen. Haven’t the past 6 or so years taught anything…..
Later,
& lets hope for remedy which brings Peace,
Ken Hausle
You think maybe the IED’s and the EFP’s and the KFC’s or whatever are being made from the nearly 300,000 TONS of high explosives that the Bushies LOST in the first days of the illegal invasion and occupation?
and maybe the insurgents are being funded by the $12 BILLION DOLLARS that the Bushies lost and cannot account for?
Since the PRESIDENT OF IRAQ does not seem concerned about IRAN, and is even as I type this holding hands with the presdient of IRAN, WHAT THE FREAKIN BUSINESS IS IT OF BUSH?????????
IS IRAQ A SOVERIEGN NATION, OR JUST THE PERSONAL PLAYGROUND OF BUSH, CHENEY, AND HALIBURTON???????
Maybe they can get Clown Powell to go in front of the UN again with his Travelling Fantasy Weapons Show…
clowns always make me laugh
IS IRAQ A SOVEREIGN NATION, OR JUST THE PERSONAL PLAYGROUND OF BUSH, CHENEY, AND HALIBURTON???????
You called it!
Cheney is a mad dog who barks loud. You can safely ignore him at this point.
I have been reading numerous articles like” impending war with Iran”, “Countdown to war with Iran” since 2004. And aren’t we in the latter half of 2007?
I will say for sure US will not attack Iran. The desire is there, of course, but there is no capability. Simple as that.
Especially when China (#1) and Russia (#3) are the largest creditors of the US debts.
These crazy ( Bush and Co) people will be replaced by a gentler version of neocons, that is Hillary and Co.
And they too will do whatever they can to divert out attention from important domestic issues like public -funded universal health care.
Duh. The headline should read: “Cheney Urging Strike on Iran Since 1973.”
When the next false flag operation occurs, keep in mind that when this country is under martial law- we’ll have limited access to news they deem “unamerican” and “threats to national security.” WE already know Iran will be the scapegoat once another attack occurs. But also be aware once we’ve been cutoff from information that, in all likelyhood, a government black operation, maybe even a direct military intervention to overthrow Venezuela for their “support” and “ties” to Iran will also occur- and this will fly under the radar.
The oligarchy running this country is as braindead as the public it brainwashes. If the want a freakin empire, why are they intent on making it fail miserably just 7 years into this imperial war? Do they want to bring about the downfall of America?
jspkim, the groundwork has been laid. The PR campaign is racheting up. When was the last time the U. S. didn’t invade a country it really, really, really wanted to?
I read stuff like this http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2007/06/empire-of-clowns-continues-on-its.html
and this http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/Goading_Xerxes%3A_A_New_Tactical_Twist_in_the_Coming_War_on_Iran/
and I am convinced it is a only matter of time.
I sure as hell hope you are right, but I don’t think so.
worst case scenario, these assholes are going to nuke iran to create this national emergency that makes bush a dictator and then Rex 84 can be implemented with martial law. Go watch “V” for Vendetta, and substitute Bush and Cheney for the despots in the movie, and instead of a biological strike on their own people and blaming it on terrorists substitute 9/11 and blaming it on terrorists. Through the looking glass my friends, when fact is fiction and tv reality…..oh and by the way they wouldn’t even consider doing this if China and Russia werent fully compliant, they need to pull off this martial law with our acceptance, if we are thrown into a depression then all hell breaks loose and all bets are off….
best case scenario, and it ain’t all that best, all of this takes place under the new regime of Clinton/Obama and just for giggles we throw in an invasion of Pakistan. If you think about it, having dems in power just might soften the blow of martial law making it all that more acceptable.
Or we are all just dreaming and it is November 2000 and Al Gore has won the presidency and Utopia is right around the corner……
Hey canuckchuck–how’d you get your HAHAHAHAs to go right off the screen?? What a hoot! Ya have to laugh to keep from crying. Maybe it will take the Chinese calling their markers and the resulting implosion of our economy to get people off their butts, turn them into true Patriots, and finally create a revolution. But maybe by then it will be tto late…
Ken Hausle,
We have good reason to be afraid. Bush & Cheney are madmen who are preparing the American people for World War Three. Cheney is a corporate gangster, and Bush is a “born again” Christian fanatic, an exact counterpart to the Islamic fanatics. Thus, he yearns for Biblical Armageddon through a nuclear holocaust, feeling assured that his Christian God will resurrect him and all devout Christians on a re-created Earthly paradise. Do you understand what I am saying? Bush is suicidally insane!
Scarey, scarey, scarey. This lame duck administration can get us into a heap more trouble before it’s dead and gone.
This lame duck administration can get us into a heap more trouble before it’s dead and gone. Scarey, scarey, scarey. . .
Besides, jspkim, it is BUSH who is threatening action, while Cheney urges.
It seems to me that the best thing to do right now is for all peace groups and all liberal and left-leaning alternative media to act in a coordinated way and give this priority attention. If every single one of these would start generating an alternative story (ie. Cheney is trying to start a new war based on lies) then that message would be strong enough to penetrate the mainstream. Surely, all the net-based information networks, if acting in unison, would lift awareness enough to raise serious doubts in peoples minds and undermine this campaign. But we have to subordinate talking about other issues temporarily, including Iraq.
I wonder what percentage of the population actually goes to non-mainstream net information networks? I bet those that do already know the deal. I bet the percentage is too damned small to bubble up in any meaningful way to the masses, who are braindead.
truth be told all of the sabre rattling and articles like this one are probably put out there by Cheney baiting the Iranian leader to make some retaliatory statement that the press can jump all over…..and then they can try and escalate from there…just a thought
Before launching such a strike, “We better be prepared to go public with very detailed and very convincing intelligence,” Clawson said.
Oh yes! Just give me some hard evidence and I am gonna be ready to support all future wars that spin off the current war–the one which we were led into with lies.
jon
Connecting the dots: from human behaviors to ecosystem decline
www.StudetnsForTheEarth.org
“Behind the scenes, however, the president’s top aides have been engaged in an intensive internal debate over how to respond to Iran’s support for Shiite Muslim groups in Iraq and its nuclear program.”
That’s what I’m talking about right there. See, the GOVERNMENT gets to frame the debate and the MEDIA reports it with a tacit approval of the framework. Ensuing coverage in MM stays that course. You can bet the talking heads on Sunday morning will be debating within this set of assumptions.
I repeat, any Iranian support of groups in Iraq is irrelevant, as is any Iranian nuclear (missile) program, even though it is well established they haven’t one.
CanuckChuck got it right.
The imroved “penetrating” IED’s are most likely made from the 380 TONS of HMX high explosives looted from the Al-Qa’qaa munitions dump - left unguarded by U.S. forces between May 11 and April 27 2003.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_explosives_in_Iraq
Much better to blame Iran, eh?…than the bungling imbeciles in the Pentagon who ran the invasion on faith-based military planning.
And so it goes… just last week, General Ordierno stated that the increasing number of mortar rounds hitting the Green Zone must be due to “insurgents receiving training from Iran”… !!!!
How many Iraqi Army soldiers did Rumsfield and Bremer turn loose in 2004?
380,000? What fraction of those had artillery or mortar training?
This shameless propaganda defies all incredulity.
Iranians should give us the same message. “Come on now. You can do better than this.” Bush is a joke. Unfortunately he is an insanely power-hungry moronic jokester. Another unfortunate thing is that more dangerous than just being plainly stupid, most Americans are just apathetic. They don’t vote. They don’t care. They probably wouldn’t even know if Bush has become a dictator yet, and they probably wouldn’t care. As long as they have their football, TV, beer, and 15 hour a day job, they don’t care.
This is why voting should be made mandatory with a high fine if people don’t do it.
Lou Dobbs and the other neoconservative talking heads at CNN and the Fake New Channel are bellowing their black propganda about Iran. They conduct polls that are spurious and many of the sheep who participate in the polls say they want to strike Iran. Many Americans have learned nothing. Don’t think the Democrats are any better. I’ve heard alarming rhetoric from Obama and Hillary on Iran. Welcome to your next war America. Hey you wanted it.
Oh…first they report there were 190,000 missing ak-47’s by the GAO that were ISSUED to Iraqi ’security forces’
Now its Iran’s fault the US government issued 190,000 weapons to the ‘insurgency’…. Who has been training the Iraqi ’security forces’…the US…anybody who continues to believe in and support this rubbish should be sent to Iraq to relieve our troops from your stupidity.
“My message to the American people is, you can do better than this current government,” he said. “You don’t have to be isolated. You don’t have to be in a position where you can’t realize your full economic potential.”
Impeach now!
Ferency,
Your links don’t work.
Here’s where I know the American media is a joke. Even McClatchy which is closer to being decent than most.
The Bush administration are proven liars. We know for a fact that they have lied, and lied often. We know they have already lied us into one disasterous war.
So, why would any respectable news organization take seriously what they say? Why would they even report it? If you are dealing with known and proven liars, there should be a demand for irrefutable proof before the story even runs in a newspaper.
Lets say I’m the spokesperson for some organization. Lets say I tell as series of massive lies to the news media, and the news media falls for them and reports them. Of course, later it becomes obvious and proven that I was lying. After that, what do you think the reaction of the same news media would be the next time I started having press conferences and passing out press releases with some whole new set of allegations?
I’d think the news media would very rightfully ignore me. I think they would tell me that this time I must provide proof before they’d even listen to me. I don’t think they’d print or air a single word I said unless and until I did provide proof that was so independent and verifiable that they would then be forced to admit my allegations this time were serious and had serious evidence backing it up.
So, why does something like what Bush is saying about Iran even get printed? Why isn’t the story one that says something like …. “the President made a speech today and made some statements and allegations in that speech. However, the President failed to provide any evidence supporting those statements and allegations. Given the track record of this President, and his proven record of misleading the American people, we do not feel as responsible journalists that we can report the statements and allegations made by the President unless and until independent and verifiable evidence is produced to support these statements and allegations.”
That’s the nice version. They could just say. “That big liar, the President, was at it again yesterday.”
Just the very fact that this story even reports what the President says shows what a complete and useless joke the American news media is. They have no interest in reporting the truth, or in finding out what the truth is. They are just mouthpieces for repeating the official statements of the government regardless of whether there is any truth of validity to the statement.
I used parental blocking to block all US news channels from my TV. I don’t watch local TV news. I don’t buy any American newspapers. The above is why.
Bush, Cheney & Co very well know that the senate and the American public can not stop them from doing what they want to do, except for some rumblings. So the US government will continue to execute its murderous plans on innocent people, and sovereign countries and the American public will keep talking/writing about it. So both these actions will continue and the innocent people continue to pay the price for this attitude of indifference among the public both in the US and the West.
The irony is: christian zealots consider this an opportunity to convert into christianity the “victims” of genocidal acts of the US and the West. That is what Korean missionaries are doing in Afghanistan. SHAME ON THEM.
Given the track record of CNN and other awful bits of the American media, when they run a story that says “here are poll results that show the American people support an attack on Iran.”, why would you think that this accurately reflects what the American people really said to the pollsters?
Wars are $$ to CNN and the other 24-hour news channels. Probably to other news media as well. CNN’s ratings will spike if they get to go to “Breaking News” and show us bombing Iran. That’s big, big $$ to CNN (and the other channels).
So, why is it hard to think that they just might be making up poll numbers that support the politicians they like and that support a policy that’s implementation would lead to big profits at CNN?
Entelechy, sorry. Try these:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/072707a.html
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071107B.shtml
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071207B.shtml
The American people can stop them. They just can’t do it if they keep doing what they’ve been doing.
A nationwide general strike and 10,000,000 protestors on the streets of DC would stop any war in a day … maybe two days tops.
A true nationwide general strike would have the corporate leaders and the big $$ people who really run the country calling up their puppet Bush and they’d immediately demand a stop to Bush’s actions that would be costing them billions of $$ every day.
And if the people who truly opposed the war, just on the east coast, all marched on DC at the same time. That could easily get a crowd of several million people. And it would be obvious that a) the city would be shut down with such a crowd and b) there’d be no hope of using police or national guard or Army to control such a massive crowd. Bush would be on a helicopter out of office quickly.
The problem is, the American people don’t seem likely to do either action. But then again, the rulers of the Soviet empire would have said the same thing weeks before their fall. If the notion spreads among the American people that they can take effective action that will change things, I think the American people would act quickly. Most Americans know things are screwed up. They just don’t think anything they can do will change things. If they start to believe they can change things, they will and quickly.
Thre is no valid connectuion between Iran as a nation and the insurgent attacks on our troops with the Iranian IED’s. But there is a connection between Cheney et al and the Israeli lobby who want us to bomb Iran for fear of the Iranian presidemt’s fiery words agaisnt Israel oru key ally in the middle east.
Fortunately most posters seem to realize the Democrats won’t be much better. But just to reinforce the point.
Hillary, Obama, and Edwards have all made statements indicating they’d be willing to consider military attacks on Iran. At one point, all three had used the ‘all options on the table’ language which was exactly the same language Bush and his cohorts were using to threaten a nuclear attack. Obama may have backed off from this with more recents statements indicating he would not launch a nuclear first strike.
The Democrats in Congress have clearly signaled to Bush that they are on-board and support an attack on Iran. Last spring they were considering language stating such an attack was not authorized. Then they very publicly pulled that language from the bill and Pelosi went before AIPAC’s convention to make sure it was understood that they did not oppose an attack on Iran. This was a clear green light to attack Iran given to Bush by the Democrats, and the Democrats have done nothing to change this stance since.
If you want a political party to oppose a new war with Iran, it ain’t the Democrats.
Right on, COMarc August 10th, 2007 5:17 pm!
Yes. the annointed one Hillary “I will be another Margaret Thatcher” Clinton has said that Bush has been too soft on Iran.
I don’t know what some people see any this pro-war, pro-Bush neocon piece of trash.
What the Hell did the Cheney/Bush Crime Family expect when they installed a Shiite government in Iraq? Iran is going to help both Afghanist and Iraq, Iran has long been a friend of Afghanistan and they helped the US during our first invasion and air strikes against the Taliban.
WE give India the OK to build nuclear bombs, but Iran can’t even have nuclear poweer? What is wrong with this picture?
Vilifying Iran and attacking them is merely Bush’s way of saying “Iraq is not my fault. It’s their fault.”
Let’s not forget we’re dealing with the adolescent drug addled brain of an irresponsible drunk.
He and Cheney need to be removed from office immediately, and all the radical and conservative vermin they have planted in the government need to be rooted out.
Fat chance, given the lack of integrity and spine among the Democrats.
Then conquer we must
When it’s Oil we lust,
Knowing God’s on Our Side
’cause our Prez calls it “Just.”
A slight re-write of the 3rd stanza of USA’s national anthem.
I have even better lyrics, but somebody might say
they’re too obscene for a public website.
And how ironic that anybody would call my lyrics obscene,
when the actual obscenities
are these:
Bush/Cheney ruling-by-decree, trashing the Constitution;
while a bought-off Congress and brain-dead mass citizenry
quaver in the shadows of a Fascist Executive.
All we can to is (now with renewed energy): Get out in the streets; Work for and Demand that any declared intention by Bush/Cheney to
bomb Iran — now– finally and decisively — brings Congress and the citizenry out
of the shadows —
in time to both stop any such attack, and in time to
resolutely start impeachment hearings against these madmen, in the House.
I - probably like many others here — recently helped elect a new anti-Bush US Senator who’s not been too brave so far, in following-through on his campaign rhetoric. But in intend to tell him tonight that he damn-well better follow-through RE Bush/Cheney’s intentions for Iran.
Most of us here see that cultural Islamo-fascists of the
Moslem world are no different than political fascists of
the western world. Both ‘camps’ presume to rule the world w/o free assent from their people.
But, on a hopeful note: most people remain reasonably sane in each
of these cultural worlds, and its up to us, here in the west, to
disempower the worst of Our Particular Madmen — before this world-threatening
insanity vs insanity goes one further fugging inch….
One theory goes: Bush/Cheney are purposely pushing the envelope of their Constitutional powers
because they want impeachment efforts to begin — believing that such efforts will fail
and then open the door wider for What Ever They Want To Do.
Enough! It’s crucial, now more than ever, that USA citizens call Bush/Cheney’s bluff. Otherwise, these sociopaths are gonna just keep going - far worse than the Energizer Bunny, you can be sure.
Ferency,
There have been numerous reports on the Bush administration’s ambition with Iran.
Even NYT, Newsweek and various other MSM reported about it and the working papers in 2004.
“Papers on the idea have circulated inside the administration, mostly labeled “draft” or “working draft” to evade congressional subpoena powers and the Freedom of Information Act. Informed sources say the memos echo the administration’s abortive Iraq strategy: oust the existing regime, swiftly install a pro-U.S. government in its place (extracting the new regime’s promise to renounce any nuclear ambitions) and get out.”
“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6039135/site/newsweek/” This article was published in Sept, 2004.
I have seen one of these working papers. The one I’ve seen was prepared and available for only top 20 people inside the Bush admin in late 2003, leaked to the press in early 2004, and widely available on the internet by summer of 2004.
you can do a Google search on these key words: Atlantic monthly war game Iran.
It used to come on top and I think now it’s buried deep, harder to find. I need spent time find the link to the actual working paper ( it was available as a pdf file when I saw it) but you can still find millions of news article mentioning this paper.
In summary, Bush and Co ran a number of war game scenarios, and the result always came negative.
They know it.
“Iran the Next War” article:
http://tinyurl.com/s3tm3
well, this is the catapult that will take is to a state of emergency. Troops (mercenaries anyway) in OUR streets, the election is OFF and all the sane folks will be locked up in those cozy little detention centers they have been building over the last 5 years. IMPEACH is the only way. Impeach now for the love of the country !!!!!! this madness has to be stopped. Perhaps those 75% of us should march right up to 1700 penn ave and carry them straight to the Hague.
AIPAC panel lobbies on Iran
E-mail News Brief
Tell the Editors
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/103125.html
Published: 07/19/2007
Executive members of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbied Congress to pass Iran sanctions bills.
About 100 members of AIPAC’s executive committee meeting in Washington this week pushed bills that would tighten existing sanctions, as well as enable state and local governments to divest from Iran.
Committee members also urged lawmakers to back Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas now that he has exiled Hamas from his government and sought support for $2.4 billion in defense assistance to Israel.
They were armed with lists of senators and members of the U.S. House of Representatives who had yet to sponsor the Iran sanctions bills, as well as a recent House roll call on foreign aid. More than 160 Republicans voted against the foreign aid bill, which included the $2.4 billion for Israel, citing a desire to cut foreign aid in general.
I’ll be in the garage drinking scotch.
US OUT OF EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is the print on this string stretched out so wide?
It doesn’t matter if we bomb Iran or not, we are still going
to have a depression and when it hits our ass is grass and the
Chinese will be the grim reaper. If we do bomb them it will just
happen sooner.
abbybwood -
drink your Scotch AFTER you’ve done
your civic duty to organize and protest….!
Have a look at the song Cheney used to sing about Iran (and Libya):
click here
And you’ll note that the only way to read this article on CNN is in the internet cache.
For those of you who’d like the Cliff’s Notes: so Cheney didn’t think the Libya/Iran sanctions were not working. Maybe this was because they were interfering with Haliburton’s trade with them. In 2000 Cheney admitted that Haliburton does business with both countries.
ABC Online, Australia - 29 minutes ago
The top US military officer in charge of coordinating the war effort in Iraq says that it makes sense to consider a return of the draft to meet the …
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`nuff said?
I think these guys in bush administration think Iranians are stupid,no seriously they think Iranians are stupid. Couple of days ago i was speaking with one of my friends (he is from Angola) and he told me 6 years ago he bought a AK-47 for just about 10$ in Angola when still there were civil war, just 10$ you know what i mean? Even if Iranians are that stupid to provide guns and weapons for Iraqis, obviously they wouldn’t give them their own guns specially with their arm on it when gun in black market is that cheap.
Rebel Farmer: I really don’t have a clue of what is actually going to happen tomorrow or next year. I’m not a wizard, (as most can likely detect.)
However, we can all surmise, based upon what we observe, read and see with our own eyes. We also can make educated, or un- educated guesses, based upon history and what our leaders are, or are not doing. The way things are going, we WILL have a depression, since you have a small farm, you may survive___ if you can defend it.
Chicken little. I HOPE you are the smartest person blogging here. But hope is only a four letter word and sometimes it is just as useless as the one that smells. Shit. Without action, hope is just a nice word, __ one we need, it makes us feel better and sometimes our hopes are realized. I hope for example, that Cheney/Bush are swept away by a space ship.___ See, hope is just that, Hope.
mohsen: The AK 47 are that cheap because the US supplied them. Well, maybe they didn’t mean to, exactly. They just sorta, kinda, lost track of them.
KEM is right. The economy and the markets are going to go in the toilet very soon. It’s already happening. Right now!
Boycott EVERYTHING on 9/11. No work. No buying anything. No driving. Nothing! Take the day off and plant a garden with a neighbor or two. You’re going to need it.
P.S. I wonder what would happen if Iran got really smart after the U.S. bombs them and goes to the UN and has the US charged with a war of aggression. That’s against the UN charter. I think Russia, China, and all Europian countries could sign onto that. What da ya all think?
CHENEY IS THE TERRORIST,BIGGER THAN BUSHIT. IRAN HAS THE SECOND LARGEST MILITARY IN EUROPE AND FRIENDS WITH ALL THE OPEC OIL PRODUCING COUNTRIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST WILL BE FIGHTING ALONG SIDE IRAN AND THEY WILL TAKE OUT ISRAEL ALSO. THE MIDDLE EAST OWES BUSH NOTHING. BUSH AND CHENEY WILL DESTROY THE AMERICAN ARMY OF VOLUNTEERS AND RESERVIST. SOMEBODY WITH BALLS HAS GOT TO IMPEACH SOMEBODY
BEFORE THE IDIOT DECLARES MARTIAL LAW AND CALLS UP THE DRAFT. IMPEACHMENT NOW!
So the Rodent and his criminal gang plan to attack Iran? These guys are out-of-control SOB’s who are putting the entire world at risk. We need to start impeachment proceedings immediately.
Allen and Johnny, that is a swell idea, impeach. Wonder why no one has mentioned it before now? Do you think it could be possible?
Wonder what the charges could be, maybe Pelosi would know. Congessman Conyers would have to act on any bill that was submitted, he’d jump right on that. Wow,__ hey eveyone, write to your congress reps and tell them we would like to impeach Cheney and Bush.
Where am I? Oh, right, I’m still up in the attic, sitting in front of this damn computer, reading about impeaching Bush or Cheney. Impeach, impeach! It sounds familiar. Hmmmm, What did I do with my glasses? I hate getting old.
I hear Iranian oil is of a much higher quality than Iraqi oil, its a better lubricant, more like umm……KY jelly, better to fuck everyone with.
Aren’t we going to bomb Saudi Arabia too then? They’re arming insurgents.
Just asking.
“The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to talk publicly about internal government deliberations.”
Gee, if we only had $1 for every time this phrase - or a close variation - had been used by either liberal or conservative media over the last 40 years, our national debt would probably cut in half.
Shrub wants a “strike” we need to give him one—General Strike 11 Sep– no work– no money spent antwhere for anything– sit in the streets in your own neighborhood– STRIKE HIS SORRY ASS OUT! The reason shrub can’t say no to cheney is– when shrub says “No Dick”, cheney always looks hurt and says “I’ve asked you not be so personal-you know I can’t help being a No Dick Guy any more than you can”
Cheney is completely nuts. He needs to be impeached immediately! This war has entirely played into Iran’s hands, and the Al-Maliki government which we set up is in bed with Al-Sadr. The Shiite militias are being armed with the billions of dollars worth of US weapons which have “gone missing”, and it’s a little too late to start talking to Iran now, since they’re having their way with the government that we installed. Bring our troops home in an organized way, negotiate a safe withdrawal for them with all parties involved,let the Saudis protect the Sunnis and try Cheney, Bush and their neocon cronies as war criminals.
I totally agree with hogie. Cheney is a lunatic in the very literal sense of that word. He has been a conduit for billions in non-competitive defense and other gov’t contracts for his former company Halliburton. His lies and miscalculations are largely responsible for the Iraq mess we’re in. How is it that this arrogant idiot has any public credibility left at all???!!! He just can’t get enough of militarist actions, and in the the process has utterly undermined any legitimate role the U.S. armed forces might have in the world. This man should be impeached and serve time for crimes against the prople of the U.S. and humanity!!! Again, I ask: How is it that Cheney has any semblance of legitimacy in the public sphere?
The Bush administration has launched what appears to be a coordinated campaign to pin more of Iraq’s security troubles on Iran…………. He wouldn’t lie to us again. This time we can believe him. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
My God, why don’t we all just sit around and talk about this shi.. until they fuc…. kill us all….!!
What will all these ‘money people’ buy after Bushbaby Nukes the Midwest and blames it on Iran. I have my www.nuke-pills.com , but somehow believe that plenty of ammo, food and supplies, will only prolong the agony of the inevitable. I, too, would rather see the aliens deport Cheney/Bush/Lott and the others to the Black Hole and FLUSH.
And the War will not be televised
This evening news. Over half of the people in the U.S. who have home mortgages are more than (90) days behind in their house payments.
More than HALF!! Is that by ANY chance, a red flag, which shows how our economy really is?
USA USA USA GO….
Bush’s war czar (don’t you love that title) is talking about reinstating the draft. This will enable the psychos to attack Iran. Bush is playing innocent and said he doesn’t think the draft is necessary.
How can anyone not believe Cheney after all those accurate past predictions. Whatever Cheney says, I believe the opposite is the truth.
America and Britain plus their phony ‘alliance of the bought’ have illegally invaded Iraq, irretrievably destroyed the country, killed over half a million civilians, and have caused the core of the middle class - reportedly 4 million people - thus leaving this destitution without vital skills and leadership. And Humpty Dumpty will never be put back together again. Surprise! THEY ALL HATE US. It seems only logical to me that a resistance movement will seek to obtain arms from anywhere they can get them including from neighbouring countries who share their hatred for these invaders.
Face the unpleasant truth and LEAVE NOW. And while we are at it, impeach Bush and Cheney before they blow up the Middle East and collapse the world economy in the process
We were helping the Taliban when they were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, and NOW what goes around comes around! STOP THE EXTERMINATION OF IRAQIS NOW.
America and Britain plus their phony ‘alliance of the bought’ have illegally invaded Iraq, irretrievably destroyed the country, killed over half a million civilians, and have caused the core of the middle class - reportedly 4 million people - have fled the country thus leaving this destitution without vital skills and leadership. And Humpty Dumpty will never be put back together again. Surprise! THEY ALL HATE US. It seems only logical to me that a resistance movement will seek to obtain arms from anywhere they can get them including from neighbouring countries who share their hatred for these invaders.
Face the unpleasant truth and LEAVE NOW. And while we are at it, impeach Bush and Cheney before they blow up the Middle East and collapse the world economy in the process
Iran has every right to defend itself from ANY aggression from abroad.
Iran is twice the size of Iraq. Their military’s pretty tough, unlike Saddam’s. A war against Iran would be a million times more awful than what we witness in Iraq.
Cheney is a war criminal. Period. A German court even called on Bush & Cheney to be tried for war crimes, and when the Germans accuse you of war crimes, you’re in trouble! Look, we can stop another war. We have the numbers now. There’s NO WAY they could get away with it.
This is the same march to war we saw before Iraq. Are they really gonna add gasoline to the fire in the Middle East? Iranians are still pissed about Mossadegh in 1953, and it seems to me they want freedom from both their clerical regime AND American imperialism they are seeing in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I dare the U.S. to strike Iran!
*let’s not forget my fellow activists, there’s still NO evidence Iran is producing nuclear weapons. Just another scare (terror) tactic. As far as I know, they are complying with the Non-Proliferation Treaty that allows them to produce nuclear power just as Western powers do. And even if Iran were producing weapons, they have EVERY right to defend themselves by deterrent, just like the DPRK, Libya and other demonized countries.
Slowly and steadily Iran is being painted as ‘Evil’ in this black and white world. Soon it will be ‘proof’ of evilness and then ‘hit them over there before they hit us over here’. But with the closely held American press the biggest imperial cheerleaders around they’ll have no trouble laying down their plans. This has been predictable for years. The only surprising thing is that Joe American WILL fall for this again and the US will become engaged in another war of atrocities. The American public will then strangely vent their rage against France and Canada for being wussies, Anti-American etc. Sorry Joe American - you used to be smart but now all you care about is Britney Spears. Most of the world thinks you are gullible beyond understanding. Wake up!
Listen to this: IRAN HAS NO INTENTION TO BUILD NUCLEAR WEAPONS
-17 countries legally enrich uranium under the Non-Proliferation Treaty, just like Iran
-Aug 9, 2005, the supreme leader Ali Khameini issued a fatwa (a binding religious statement) that developing nuclear weapons violates Islam and is therefore forbidden (for a religious country like Iran, this should be taken seriously)
-President Ahmedinejad himself said Iran has NO intention of building weapons, just nuclear power for a country whose population more than doubled in the past 20 years
-Ahmedinejad announced that uranium has been enriched 3.5% (close to a nuclear weapon, right?) Wrong! A single weapon requires 90% enrichment!
-The head of IAEA, Mohammed ElBaradei, said last year, “The Agency has not seen indications of diversion of nuclear material to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices”
This whole nuclear Iran thing is bogus, just like everything else Cheney says.
Kem said “This evening news. Over half of the people in the U.S. who have home mortgages are more than (90) days behind in their house payments.”
Are you sure about those numbers? I would think maybe subprime mortgages, but all mortgages? Wow, that’s insane!
Here I was feeling like a low life because I’m paying mine 11 days late…Anyone with any sense knows the economy is in shambles, if I hear one more clueless, redneck, Bushite tell me how great it is I think I’ll puke. I live on the Panhandle of Florida which is neo-con heaven, these guys view Fox news as a religious experience…
cobrafifty-
Do you really think a pesky little thing like facts and common sense are going to stop the Bush/Cheney Dream Team? It didn’t with Iraq. I don’t even know why they bother anymore trying to convince us, we all know they’re not leaving the Presidential Palace. We all know they’re going to try to take over the world with our over-funded army that can’t do shit.
It’s hard to be a soul in this country believes anything that comes out of this little fascist’s mouth! It tells me how low we have sunk in the mire of being run by the Bush propaganda machine! This clueless jerk needs to be gotten out of office before he destroys us!
I wonder whose army he plans on using? Could it be the warriors from his home planet of Mars? Obvoiusly he does not talk to the Pentagon that is extending the deployments of out troops in Iraq to 15 and maybe 18 months. Maybe he and his puppet Dubya will go in person. It is time to impeach this nutjob and his assistant: Bush.
RE: HOW CAN 33% SUPPORT THIS ADMINISTRATION? EASY…
mastershake August 10th, 2007 12:04 pm
“Will America fall for this crap? how does 33% of the American public give this administration any credibility?”
The 33% - who knows? No doubt there are the profoundly deluded to consider. But imo, we’re dealing with many people for whom - unstated, unacknowledged bottom line - the truth of the allegations is completely irrelevant. Because what counts for a large number of these bush-uber-alles-ists is…well, right-wing-uber-alles: they have a right wing domestic agenda, and whipped up fears are their means of achieving it.
It is much like the right’s Communist bogeyman during the Cold War - a wildly exaggerated, fear-based theme whose underlying purpose was to crush Roosevelt’s New Deal liberalism and democratic (that’s lower case d) opposition.
The right misses McCarthyism. It worked then. And it may keep working now.
Didn’t we just sold weapons to Israel and Jordan, isn’t that the same. How many military coup have we instigate in how many country in the past 50 years. Blackwater must be thrilled!!!
Let’s be crystal clear about all this war-drum beating by Cheney. Iran has VERY close economic ties with China AND Russia. Our own intelligence has told the Bush Administration that Iran is ten years from making a nuclear weapon, even if that was its goal. Now, acccording to a post up above AIPAC has sent its big guns to Congress to lobby on the legislation recently passed approving a military strike against Iran. (I’m shocked! shocked! that Israel would have any say as to what our Congress does!!)
With China holding our economy by the nuts (sorry to be so crass), and the business it is doing with Iran as to oil imports (see info. below), can the the Bush Administration and the Congress really be THAT STUPID to go into Iran militarily?! When China has the power to bring us to our financial knees with the stroke of a computer key???!
“As recently as 1992, China was an oil-exporting country, but since then it has become a voracious importer of oil and gas. (Indeed, China’s demand for oil is the leading factor in pushing prices from $10 to $20 a barrel to around $75 a barrel today.) In Iran, China has signed a series of gargantuan deals, including a 25-year contract reported to be worth $100 billion between Iran and the Chinese state-owned energy company Sinopec.” (A Googled article “Iran, Russia and China ties”)
This Administration, with the approval of our Congress, is setting us up for World War III. Plain and simple. I think Erma is on the right track. They are ALL drinking the koolaid, only it ain’t DEM koolaid. And it ain’t “Republican” koolaid. It’s international corporate koolaid. Someone in another post mentioned that Bush and Cheney are merely the puppets. It’s the international corporate masters who are the handlers. And they have ZERO allegiance to the United States Constitution. Which is why Halliburton recently moved it’s base to Dubai.
They honor money and power. Period.
Remember that coup that “failed” against FDR staged by Prescott Bush and the Heinz corporation etc. Looks to me like it’s been a RAGING SUCCESS!!!!
Now where can I get some of that koolaid? Nevermind. I’ll just stay in the garage with my Scotch.
meconopsis: Actually, part of the war WILL be televised. Americans just love a good fireworks display at the expense of a city and its civilian populations–the destruction of Baghdad got excellent ratings.
Ferency said: “Whether or not Iran is involved in any way is irrelevant. The U. S. is in the region ILLEGALLY.”
That is absolutely right. And that is the most important point in this whole discussion. Thank you, Ferency. And I would add another important point: Iran has every right to help its neighbours, the people of Iraq, defend themselves against the barbarians who invaded their country and murdered hundreds of thousands of their people. I don’t know if Iran is helping the insurgents, but I hope it is. The insurgents are fighting a legitimate war in defence of their country. All civilized nations should help them, just as civilized nations helped the victims of Fascist, Nazi and Japanese aggression in the 1930s and 1940s.
And as to the US, British and Australian soldiers over there in Iraq, who are the targets of the insurgency: I have nothing against you. I know you only joined the military because you lacked the opportunities in life that people like myself enjoyed. I wish no evil on you. On the contrary, I want you to go home to your loved ones, safe and sound. And there is a simple solution to your predicament: just undress. Some time when journalists are on the scene, drop your gun and take off your uniform. They’ll send you home. You may go to jail for a while, but that’s a lot better than getting killed or losing your arms, legs, genitals or face. And in the end your decency and courage will be recognized.
Mark Marshall
Toronto
As I’ve said before, “Cheney” acts this way because he’s not what he appears to be. And “his” behavior is in fact entirely consistent for his species.
Abbywood: Love your posts!
I’ve been aware of the connection between Iran, China, and Russia for a long time. The piece I can’t figure out, though, is why is BushCo inflaming Russia with the damn missles in Russia’s backyard? How does that fit into this scenerio?
I’d also like to know if there is any chance that Iran, in concert with Russia and China, would consider hauling the US’s butt to the UN if we bomb Iran. Instead of retalliating and starting WWIII. It seems to me that sanctions by the UN against the US would be very politically advantageous for everybody concerned.
Abbywood, you were not crass to use that term, it was an appropriate analogy. Our nuts are our weakest link. I know for sure, a light tap will disable me. I fully agree with Rebel too. good posts.
Cobrafifty, I do hope you are right, saying they won’t dare strike Iran. Seeing what the pair have already dared, I’m not so sure they won’t. They are crazy remember. You make sense,__ they don’t.
Kristina40, you may be correct, I may have missed that financial term. Anyway, our economy is in big trouble, read the string posted today__ titled, (Very Scary Stuff).
A friend just sent me this link regarding Cheney referring to the U.S. going into Iraq to get Saddam as a potential “quagmire”. (I love that word…quagmire.) I believe this one minute clip is from Cheney in 1994. Well worth a minute of your time. And please, DO pass it along…
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
Iranians are not planning to develop nuclear weapons in order to strike Israel or its lapdog, the world’s superpower — contrary to what the criminal war profiteers want everyone to believe. Iranians are not suicidal or stupid.
Yeah, well, Dicky let’s just look at this situation, as opposed to the situation where you shot the dude in the face with bird shot.
Now, these guys, the Iranians, not the guy you shot, have advanced
weapons systems that they have bought from the Soviets. These guys ain’t the poor, weak-assed fuckers you and your Bully Boys tromped on in Iraq. They haven’t been starved to death by ten years of sanctions. They got the best anti-shipping missile in the world, the Sunburn, bought from Russia. So go ahead, bad boy. Let the world see for real what America has. I dare you! I double dog dare you!
Remember, folks, Cheney is that fountainhead of veracity who said Iraq had mountains of weapons of mass destruction, was on the verge of producing nuclear weapons, was linked to Al Qaeda, could be conquered and occupied with a few good American divisions, and on and on. We can place no credence whatsoever in what this hawkish ideologue says. He should be impeached and tried on war crimes. And he must be totally ignored in his pronouncements on Iran. I don’t know whether he is a liar or a fool, but I know he is incompetent and unreliable.
Greg Palast is right.
Both Bush and Cheney are big oil men. They live off profits.
If they attack Iran ,pow goes the Ormuz strait where 60 % of mid east oil flows.
Then oil goes to $200 a barrell.
The profits of big oil are stupendous.
B & C get their cut and run.
Follow the money then it makes sense.
All of this money goes to destroy and cripple human beings. It is a tragic mistake. One Presidential Candidate - Dennis Kucinch wants to create a department of peace. He wants to help people, not kill them. The corrupt US establishment is doing everything they can to downplay his popularity.
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Hey, Quaggenbush! How many quags do you want
to put us in? Are you self-destructive, U.S.-destructive, and world-destructive, all three?
We understand that Cheney is sclerotic and bellicose and should be institutionalized.
Judging from your recent health report, however, only the last two parts apply to you as well. But isn’t it even worse to be terminally bellicose for no discernible physical reason?
I disagree with Cheney over almost everything but I think he may be right about Iran. Who is not chilled, like me, by the image of Persian troops streaming out of landing boats and charging across U.S. beaches?
SOEHARTO Thank you, a million tmes, thank you! Yo are a breath of fresh air and I now see the light, Oh God I see the light.
I never, ever, thought about that very possible scenerio SOEHARTO. My gosh, you are right. Where do you suppose they will land, on the east coast or the west? Or maybe, they will land on both coasts and in the Gulf region too? ___ That’s it, a three pronged attack on Christmas eve! Look out America, here come the dirty rug rats from Iran to murder, rape, and plunder. Bet they give the land we stole from the Mexicans to their friends in Syria.
I’m truly sorry Cheney, bomb, bomb Iran, neat song. Get them dirty camel jockeys before they get us. NUKE EM!
Oh shit, my wife just came in and turned out the light and smashed me in the face, said SOEHARTO was a troll. Gee,__ scuse me.__Never mind.
My wife just arrived, turned out the big light, hit me in the face with a ball peen hammer and said. “You idiot, SOEHARTO is a fu#@in troll”. That’s the first time in 51 years I ever heard her use the F word.___ Dang,__ my face hurts.
That double post was an accident,__ sorry. Neither one was pertinent to the serious issue either. Sorry again.
Bush an Cheney are the Nazi and that should be your focus. And believe me they are coming your way to give us FREEDOM?
Everyone in the US should organize to end the war, as COMarc suggested above. The prospect of a wider war in the Mideast and a depression in the US raises the possibility of an even more fascist government here. the idea is chilling beyond belief.
please organize and take strong action to stop the war.